Grievous Discrepancy - Llorkh and Bane

[menegil]

According to Faiths and Pantheons, Bane is resurrected out of the body of his son Iyachtu Xvim in 1372. Given that the current date is 1368, this means that Banite worship is dead and buried, at least until 1372. This has implications, mainly concerning the current temple of Bane in Llorkh, which should not exist, or should otherwise be dedicated to Xvim, who, at this date, is imprisoned under Zhentil Keep. The dominant faith in the Zhentarim is Cyric, who has conducted systematic purges of Banite faith from the bosom of the organization, with the rather feeble opposition of the Godson.

[Possibly Ten]

Jun 5, 2010 16:08:00 GMT -5 @menegil said:

According to Faiths and Pantheons, Bane is resurrected out of the body of his son Iyachtu Xvim in 1372. Given that the current date is 1368, this means that Banite worship is dead and buried, at least until 1372. This has implications, mainly concerning the current temple of Bane in Llorkh, which should not exist, or should otherwise be dedicated to Xvim, who, at this date, is imprisoned under Zhentil Keep. The dominant faith in the Zhentarim is Cyric, who has conducted systematic purges of Banite faith from the bosom of the organization, with the rather feeble opposition of the Godson.

Bane worship did still exist, however it was mostly done in private. We have decided to keep the temple, and Bane worship as something to remain in play. You are correct however with your points, and it was discussed a few times by the team. It's a slight adjustment to our PW so that people that want to have Banites are not excluded, and can rp their characters.

[menegil]

Right, but the issue is that Banite clerics are, well, nonexistant. They cannot cast spells, because their deity is dead. Worshipping a dead deity is all fine and dandy, but that doesn't garner divine power-granting to clerics. Would be a good thing to post a disclaimer on this, especially since there is no difference whatsoever between Xvim and Bane dogmas. People who want to play Banite clerics would be far better served, by both consistency and logic, to pick Xvim instead in their service.

[kalbaern]

The answer was buried in this thread:
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Here's the pertinent part:

Aug 21, 2009 14:58:24 GMT -5 kalbaern said:

My sources had listed the All Faiths Chapel in Orlbar as a converted sheep shearing barn and stated that there was a secret temple to another god that the mayor follows. (Name with held so as not to be a spoiler)

The only non-core thing we've really changed is speeded up the return of Bane and death of his son Iyachtu Xvim. This was mainly so that clerics following either wouldn't need ramade when we start the actual calender here IG.

When we are ready (hopefully not long off) our current calender will start with the overthrow of "Hellgate Keep".

While we use the FR Source books as guides and inspiration here, they are just that. In the end, its the DMs/Builders that decide when to apply a "house rule" such as this.

Bane is a deity here because he will soon return in the timeline anyhow and it keeps us from having to remake a bunch of PCs later when deities need switched, NPCs and temples remade and other things that would tie up building when we are already behind here

[menegil]

Well, the thing is, clerics of Xvim do not need remaking. Like I said earlier, Xvim and Bane are exactly the same in dogmatic terms. The deity-serving is literally nominal, and the only thing that changes is grade of power (Xvim is a Lesser Deity, Bane is a bigger fish) and, well, the name, which are not doozies to replace in game

Banite clergy turned to Xvim seamlessly upon the Banedeath event years ago, if they didn't have their spells given by Cyric. The transition from Xvim to Bane, as Bane arises into power, would be a major plot twist that could well serve as a momentous occasion for character development, for those who play these characters. I say this because I was planning a Xvim cleric myself.

Also, clerics to Xvim and Bane exist at the same time? Paradox, anyone? Their portfolios are ... the very same? How was this allowed?

So, as you see, there's a hole in the world's very logic here. I can't create my character unless it is properly addressed.

Llorkh is governed by a follower of cyric and from my research there is a temple of cyric in llorkh. IG it is a temple of Bane. So my question is: is llorkh cyric or bane faithwise?


The best way I can answer this is that yes you are right, the source does say that Llorkh has a temple to Cyric there. However gotta remember that most of the Cyric temples were actually Bane temples before the Time of Troubles. Llorkh itself is most likely split in faith, as some Bane followers would not let go of their God even in "death". And of course the Cyrists would 1. be truly faithfull to Cyric, or 2. Only be pretending to be so they aren't judged.

Erm, dunno how to put this, but the player that raised the question is more correct than at first apparent. Until Bane's rise in 1372, Cyric has become the prevalent faith in the Zhentarim. Cyric's faithful have conducted systematic inquisitions of Banite faith across all strongholds of Zhent presence. There is no reason whatsoever for Cyricists to remain hidden, when they are the dominant force and the Banites are the ones that should be hiding.

[DM Arsescratcher]

Once again, while we use the FR Source books as guides and inspiration here, they are just that.

Our goal here is not to be slavishly loyal to FR canon.

Our timeline has diverged somewhat from the FR timeline in that certain events have been brought forward. If you makes you happier then think of SFS taking place in an alternate FR reality.

In our timeline Bane is already back, having been resurrected out of the body of his son. This has happened some time in the recent past.

Same goes for the worship of Velsharoon, he has become a deity some time in the recent past.

It is easier for all that specific times aren't mentioned in these cases as our game clock has not yet properly started so we are in a kind of "limbo time".

[menegil]

I see.

Well, that is satisfactory enough an answer, I guess, though, purist such as I am, I still find myself cringing a bit.

Will have to scrap the Xvim idea I had. Shame.