Monk or Paladin Multiclassing

[Micteu]

Sun Soul Multiclassing:

Sure, it says on the Sun Soul entry in the Monk Orders page that Sun Soul monks can be one other class, as long as the monk level remains highest, but here are the classes it can actually be and why, as far as I can tell.

Base Classes:
Barbarians: No. Reason: Barbarians cannot be lawful. Barbarians must start as barbarians, meaning the monk level cannot be highest.
Bards: No. Reason: Bards cannot be Lawful.
Clerics: Yes.
Druids: No. Reason: Druids cannot be Lawful Good, which is necessary for this class.
Fighters: Yes.
Monks: Uhhh...
Paladins: No. Reason: Paladins must start as paladins, which would mean their highest class would start as Paladin.
Rangers: Yes. This is an exception to the general rule of rangers requiring a nature deity.
Rogues: No. Reason: Rogues cannot be Lawful Good.
Sorcerors: Yes.
Wizards: Yes.

Prestige Classes:
Arcane Archer: No. Reason: Arcane Archer requires an arcane class, so the monk would end up having two classes besides monk.
Assassin: No. Reason: Assassins cannot be of the Good alignment.
Blackguard: No. Reason: Blackguards cannot be of the Good alignment.
Champion of Torm: Yes.
Dwarven Defender: Yes, but permission would be needed from the DMs to play an dwarven monk. Additionally, membership in a guild that supports this class is needed.
Harper Scout: Yes.
Pale Master: No. Reason: Pale Masters cannot be of the Good alignment.
Red Dragon Disciple: No. Reason: Red Dragon Disciple requires Bard or Sorcerer, so the monk would end up having two classes besides monk.
Purple Dragon Knight: Yes.
Shifter: No. Reason: Shifter requires Druid, which cannot be accessed.
Shadow Dancer: No. Reason: Shadow Dancer requires Bard, which cannot be accessed.
Weapon Master: Yes.

In a nutshell:
Clerics: Yes.
Fighters: Yes.
Rangers: Yes.
Sorcerors: Yes.
Wizards: Yes.
Champion of Torm: Yes.
Dwarven Defender: Yes.*
Harper Scout: Yes.
Purple Dragon Knight: Yes.
Weapon Master: Yes.

[DM Arsescratcher]

Excellent work! Thanks.

[kalbaern]

Care to tackle the other monk orders and the paladin ones too? This would be a great help here.

[Micteu]

Monk orders:

Broken Ones
Cleric
Champion of Torm
Broken Ones monks may multiclass as clerics, divine champions, or both, as long as they have six monk levels first.

Dark Moon
Sorcerer
Dark Moon monks must keep their monk level higher than their sorcerer level.

Hin Fist
Fighter
Paladin*
Hin Fist monks must keep monk levels equal to or exceeding the number of fighter levels. The character cannot multiclass to paladin, but a paladin of Yondalla may multiclass into a Hin Fist monk after six paladin levels, as long as he or she no longer takes any more paladin levels after the switch.

Long Death
Fighter
Assassin
Blackguard
Keep in mind that only one prestige class is allowed per character on this server.

Old Order
Sorcerers
Old Order monks may multiclass to sorcerers, as long as they keep monk levels exceeding sorcerer levels.

Shining Hand
Wizard
Shining Hand monks must keep monk levels equal to or exceeding the number of wizard levels.

Sun Soul
Special*
See the separate post for Sun Soul multiclassing.

Yellow Rose
Ranger
Yellow Rose monks may multiclass freely as a ranger after having six levels of monk. Like Sun Soul rangers, this is an exception to the rule of rangers requiring a nature deity.

No order
Any except Rogue
Pure-class monks may multiclass to any other class, but at least three levels must be in monk and each other class chosen. Also, no additional monk levels may be chosen after multiclassing. Thus, it is impossible to multiclass into monk.

[Micteu]

All paladins must have at least six levels of paladin before multiclassing.

Paladin orders:

Azuth
Wizard*
Paladins of Azuth may not return to gaining paladin levels after the switch to Wizard.

Chauntea
Cleric
Divine Champion
Paladins of Chauntea may multiclass as one or more of the listed classes.

Helm
Fighter
Cleric
Divine Champion
Purple Dragon Knight
Paladins of Helm may multiclass as one or more of the listed classes.

Ilmater
Cleric
Divine Champion
Paladins of Illmater may multiclass as one or more of the listed classes.

Kelemvor
Cleric*
Ranger*
Paladins of Kelemvor may not return to taking paladin levels after switching to one or more other classes.

Lathander
Cleric*
Divine Champion
Purple Dragon Knight
Note that clerics of Lathander cannot multiclass as Divine Champions or Purple Dragon Knights, and each character may only have one prestige class.

Sune
Divine Champion

Torm
Cleric
Fighter
Ranger
Wizard
Divine Champion
Weapon Master
Paladins of Torm may only multiclass as one other class.

Tyr
Cleric
Fighter
Divine Champion
Paladins of Tyr may multiclass as one or more of the listed classes.

Moradin
Cleric
Fighter
Divine Champion
Dwarven Defender*
Paladins of Moradin may multiclass as one or more of the listed classes, but each character may only have one prestige class. Dwarven Defender requires membership in a guild that supports the class.

Yondalla
Monk*
There is a discrepancy between the Paladin Orders and Monk Orders page on whether paladins of Yondalla can return to taking paladin levels after taking monk levels.

[Micteu]

Note on rogues:

Although some rogues can be Lawful Neutral or Lawful Evil, the idea of a monk or lawful cleric taking rogue levels is somewhat contradictory; priestly vows rarely leave room for the sort of stealthy shenanigans rogues tend to do. As a lawful cleric or monk, consider taking a different class instead of rogue. As a lawful rogue, consider taking a different class instead of cleric.

If you're playing a ninja-like character, consider rogue/assassin, monk/assassin, or just rogue instead of monk/rogue.

[menegil]

Might I know what keeps several classes, such as Kelemvor Paladins, from continuing their paladin training after taking cleric and ranger levels? I know of no rule stating they suddenly stop being paladins when they multiclass, and Faiths and Pantheons says naught on this.

[Possibly Ten]

Jun 4, 2010 19:37:08 GMT -5 @menegil said:

Might I know what keeps several classes, such as Kelemvor Paladins, from continuing their paladin training after taking cleric and ranger levels? I know of no rule stating they suddenly stop being paladins when they multiclass, and Faiths and Pantheons says naught on this.

Believe I have seen this on the FRC forums as well. Kal will have to answer this one in regards to why we don't allow it here, but I believe that the reasons that FRC gave at the time were valid ones to.

[kalbaern]

Jun 5, 2010 20:03:13 GMT -5 Possibly Ten said:

Jun 4, 2010 19:37:08 GMT -5 @menegil said:

Might I know what keeps several classes, such as Kelemvor Paladins, from continuing their paladin training after taking cleric and ranger levels? I know of no rule stating they suddenly stop being paladins when they multiclass, and Faiths and Pantheons says naught on this.

Believe I have seen this on the FRC forums as well. Kal will have to answer this one in regards to why we don't allow it here, but I believe that the reasons that FRC gave at the time were valid ones to.

From Page 26 of "The Forgotten Realms Campaign Setting" 3.5:

Special Paladin Orders

Kelemvor: Paladins of the Lord of Dead devote themselves to hunting and killing undead. some develope as Paladins for their entire career, while others begin as paladins but leave the path to progess as rangers or clerics. They cannot multiclass freely.

[menegil]

Ah, duly noted. Thanks!

[Micteu]

Modified the fourth post to account for non-order monks.

[Wids]

Hi! I'm late to the party, but what about White Rod monks? As in the Disciples of the White Rod, Loviatar's order?

(Also, come back, Micteu!  We miss you.  Don't we, people?    )