RP of rape or Torture.

[Possibly Ten]

Just because I was involved in a conversation the other day with someone IG, I thought I would post something to see how you all feel about it. Kal, of course, has final say, as he is the boss.

Rape IG, I pray that I -never- ever see this IG. It has no place imo being played out. Even if your character is an evil SOB, I see no place IG to ever rp rape out. It sickens me when I think about why anyone would rp this out. What a vile, disgusting, unmoral, horrible act.

-If- there is a situation IG, and I never really see why their would be, that a pc wants to rape another. At least have the decency to keep it in tells, or do the traditional *fades to black as blahblah is raped*.


Torture, to me, is another one. I can see it being done IG however, as some evil people would use this. I personally won't do the rp behind it, and in the past, when chars of mine have been captured, I have said right up front, that I won't rp torture. As I said, I can see it happening IG however, and I certainly don't feel as strongly about it as I do rape. But I urge all of us, that if torture is played out IG here, keep it somewhat civilized, or take it to tells. Please.

Feel free to leave your suggestions, and or thoughts here of course. These are just mine, and I wanted to put them down.

[slothfulcat]

Full agreement... and I'll go one further in saying that any mutilations etc that occur should either be done in a manner that they "go away" when the PC is raised from the dead... or are no worse than a battle-wound if the PC is not killed... aka: RPing out crippling someone's PC and taking steps to try to make that permnant.. while IC... is really really unpleasant for those on the recieving end... both having RP being crippled if they cant find a way to cure the condition... and RPing the cure... and just having to wrap one's head around the idea to RP it IG is.. ugh.

guess i'm saying... leave the aftermath of what you do tasteful as well and trust the person on the other end to give the just due to your evil deeds in their RP in the future.

[kalbaern]

I'll weigh in here when I've a few hours to spare.

[Admin Group]

Jul 12, 2009 9:46:23 GMT -5 kalbaern said:

I'll weigh in here when I've a few hours to spare.

I will save you the trouble Kal...

Kal and I are partners in FRSL as most of you know. He is our head builder along with the visionary who drives our module to become one of the best PW's out there. I provide the server hardware, internet pipe and am a builder.

That being said, rape in any form will not be allowed on this server....PERIOD! I will physically unplug it from the wall so THAT is the final say on the matter.

As for torture, i agree with sloth and Ten and would back a ruling with their points in mind.

[gainreduction]

I find both to be heinous and have no part in the game experience.

[Possibly Ten]

Jul 12, 2009 11:44:20 GMT -5 gainreduction said:

I find both to be heinous and have no part in the game experience.

I can see torture playing a role IG, but a very very slight one. Anything can be accomplished within tells if the two pcs really really want to rp the torture. But I would prefer to see it be handled in more a "fade to black" scene, type deal.

[kalbaern]

Jul 12, 2009 10:29:13 GMT -5 Admin Group said:

Jul 12, 2009 9:46:23 GMT -5 kalbaern said:

I'll weigh in here when I've a few hours to spare.

I will save you the trouble Kal...

Kal and I are partners in FRSL as most of you know. He is our head builder along with the visionary who drives our module to become one of the best PW's out there. I provide the server hardware, internet pipe and am a builder.

That being said, rape in any form will not be allowed on this server....PERIOD! I will physically unplug it from the wall so THAT is the final say on the matter.

As for torture, i agree with sloth and Ten and would back a ruling with their points in mind.

I wholeheartly agree on the "No Rape ... EVER". There is no, none, zero "good" it serves. There is simply not a single valid reason RP wise for it to EVER be allowed. Even if all the players involved are consenting, it'll never be allowed. There's no excuses either. Victim or Predator it matters not. ALL involved will be banned. CD Key's will be stored, IP's along with logins stored as well and this information shared freely with any other PW we associate openly with. (NWN is a small community and most DMs, Admins, Builders and Scripters have a large network of others they share such with.) Someone claiming "so and so captured/killed my PC and bound me ... etc ... so I had no choice" is just delusional. Take a screenshot, save your logs and send them to me. Walk away from any "Asshat" that says otherwise or you're just as much to blame as they are.


Next Topic:

Torture .....

1) Torture regardless of consent requires a DM with time to oversee it. If you ignore this rule, you'll be playing elsewhere when found out.

2) If at any point a participant in a torture scene becomes uncomfortable with it. The scene must end. Pleading, cajoling or threatening them to continue is a bannable offense. This does not mean that a PC gets a "get out of jail free card" though. If they were captured, improsoned, etc... then that will still be the case.

3) Mutilation, limb removal or even rape can be "threatened" as a means of torture. They can not be carried out ICly here though. Telling someone you've removed an arm .... scarred them, etc... is "God Modding" not RP. PCs here are adventurers .... not trained medieval surgeons or professional torturers. Even if you put it into your "Bio" that's just another case of "God Modding" and not allowed.

Some examples so you know what I mean; V = Villain, P = Prisoner, DM = DM:P

Bad Example:

V - *points across the room to a large cage full of leering orcs* "Tell me what I wish or they can rape you".
P - *sneers* "Never!"
DM - (is not logged on or AFK)
V - *drags the prisoner over to the cage and tosses them in for the orcs to have their way with them*

The above is not just a violation of our "No Rape" rule ... it's God Modding also. "V" is dictating the outcome of the orcs ... when it'd be up to each orc whether or not to do what "V" is expecting or perhaps due to mistreatment and not enjoying their cage .... jump "V" when he attempts to push the prisoner inside it. It also violates the requirement of having a DM oversee the torture.

Better Example:

V - *points across the room to a large cage full of orcs* "You can talk ... *pauses as he locks his gaze with the prisoner* ... or you can spend the next few days making new friends".

DM - *the orcs gather near the bars and leer and point to "V"'s prisoner*

P - *sneers* "Never!"

V - "So be it then!" *drags the prisoner over to the cage * (waits on the DM to determine how the cage orcs will respond)

DM - (after having decided that since "V" never bothers to RP feeding his caged orcs...) *the orcs snarl, but back away into the corner of the cage ... obviously too weakened due to neglect to be much of a threat*

V - *mutterring while the cage is opened and the bound prisoner pushed inside*

P - *staggers to the corner opposite the orcs while trying not to make eye contact with the foul creatures*


The "leering orcs" imply or threaten rape or something else unpleasant while avoiding exact details. The details of what does or does not occure next need never be played out in detail. A good DM can help mediate how long "P" stays locked up enduring who knows what until they break .. or how long until "V" comes up with another plan to extract information. "Less is More" is a good rule to follow in such cases. Using open ended emotes also allows DMs and participants a chance to react and participate rather than stand there as the "Villain" in this case dictates what happens.

4) PvP which results in a capture must have had a DM witness it regardless of consent between players.

Any questions?

[darkendnight]

Rape.. i wont even touch that subject.

Torture:

I have been in some excelent situations with torture, everything that happened to my character the other players asked me permission first. If it is done tastefully, and everyone agrees and feels okay with it i think it should be allowed (yes a dm -needs- to be there). the torture had occured using a rack. limbs were not removed though, and it was during questioning (granted people being tortured are bound to say anything so it really doesn't get a person anywhere so it doesn't really need to happen that way IG). But if there are people uncomfortable with it, it shouldn't happen and they should say that when asked they don't want to rp such.

honestly.. i wont be one doing it ig because i see no point in it except holding someone prisoner and starving them or mental insansity ranting..... but that requires or should require a dm present anyways.

//and not sure i made any sense.. mind is kinda blah right from thinking alot and no cigs... *grumbles*

[The Glandash]

Rape: No.

Torture: Also no.

From being on the receiving end of a VERY poorly played torture RP almost two years ago, I lost all interest in ever seeing or hearing it again. If you have a reason to interrogate my character, then capture him and question him with the assistance of a wizard. DID EVERYONE FORGET that wizards and clerics have spells like Zone of Truth, Detect Thoughts, Dominate Person, Geas, etcetera?

When your cleric can come in, wiggle her pinky, and open the mind of the person like a book, why do people revert to torture to extract information? When a bard can cast Disguise Self, take on the role of the captured's loved one, and attempt to persuade/bluff the information out of them, what place does physical pain have?

The excuse "I'm playing a Loviataran," is not a good one. Loviatarans have other ways of hurting people. Hell, one of their biggest turn ons is impersonating Sunites/Sharessans, getting people to fall in love with them, and then crushing their hearts. Think outside the box!

With so many alternatives to traditional racks, pears, and wheels, why do people feel the need to revert to these?

In my opinion, roleplaying physical torture should be an immediate ban, because it is just a rape scenario of a different sort.